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Councilor Hamann: “It is nice tonight. Very calm. It feels like everyone is sleeping very peacefully.”
Neo: “Not everyone.”
Councilor Hamann: “I hate sleeping. I never sleep more than a few hours.
I figured I slept the first eleven years of my life, now I am making up for it.
What about you?”
Neo: “I just haven’t been able to sleep much.”
Councilor Hamann: “It is a good sign.”
Neo: “Of what?”
Councilor Hamann: “That you are in fact still human.
Have you ever been to the engineering level?
I love to walk there at night. It is quite amazing.
Would you like to see?”
Councilor Hamann: “Almost no one comes down here. That of course is the problem.
That is how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works, as long as it works.
I like it down here. I like to be reminded this city survives because of these machines.
These machines are keeping us alive while other machines are coming to kill us.
Interesting, isn’t it?
The power to give life and the power to end it.”
Neo: “We have the same power.”
Councilor Hamann: “Yeah, I suppose we do, but…
Down here sometimes I think about all those people still plugged into the Matrix and when I look in these machines, I can’t help thinking that in a way we are plugged into them.”
Neo: “But we control these machines.
They don’t control us.”
Councilor Hamann: “Of course not. How could they?
The idea is pure nonsense but…
it does make one wonder just… what is control.”
Neo: “If we wanted we could shut these machines down.”
Councilor Hamann: “Yes, of course…
That’s it! You hit it. That’s control, isn’t it?
If we wanted, we could smash them into bits.
Although if we did, we would have to consider what would happen to our lights, our heat, our air.”
Neo: “So we need machines and they need us.
Is that your point, Councilor?”
Councilor Hamann: “No. No point. Old men like me don’t bother with making points.”